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Old 06-22-2012   #91
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Oh I hear ya...

Funny factoid ....

that a month after we pulled our Queen of the Black Coast
a "professional" AB of all REH's stories released for Sale by a big name company...
And mis-pronounced "cimmerian"....................................... ........
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I mean- if the owners of POTA came and C&D'd me- much as I would not agree- as I see fan fic as free marketing for the films/TV we all dig-
I would pull it and move on as I don't own it. I just pay homage to my Simians...

The whole REH/CPI Mess almost had me chunking out all my REH C_NAN paperbacks (ones with the Franzetta covers> my Dad gave me when it all happened...

Thankfully I did not. As it's not REH's fault..

Anyway- my 3 cents and a BY MITRA!
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Oh I hear ya...

Funny factoid ....

that a month after we pulled our Queen of the Black Coast
a "professional" AB of all REH's stories released for Sale by a big name company...
And mis-pronounced "cimmerian"....................................... ........
Heh. He was a decent reader but he mispronounced a LOT of words... and not just historical or Hyborian ones.

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One must love "Professional" productions...
As we of the Free Red-Headed Step Chylde Brigade March ever forward...LOL
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Perhaps this is a good point for me to wrap up my defense of fan productions here before the thread strays too far from its original topic which was, "are fan shows coming to an end in Audio Drama?" Pendant have steadfastly refused to explain why they have stepped away from fan productions so that extraordinary action cannot be used for or against the existence of fan productions. Other than this wholesale, unexplained reduction on their part, actual numbers - FACTS rather than speculation - don't support the idea that the numbers of fan productions are shrinking.

The vast bulk of the thread though has been a discussion of the ethics and morals of fan productions and I find it extremely unfortunate that I have been placed in a confrontationist situation such as this. I have an unfortunate habit of being a little too vigourous at times in my defense of those who I see as being unjustly maligned and if, in that process, I have trodden on a few toes I apologise.

The atmosphere at times has been very adversarial - "us or them" - and that should never be the case. The defense of ethical fan production should not be seen as an attack on either copyright owners or independent productions. As Director of Media at TrekUnited, I can tell you that, within a healthy atmosphere of debate, we have always been supportive of CBS / Paramount copyrighted and licensed products and productions. We have also been supportive and immensely proud of those fan production groups who have moved on to independant productions: Hidden Frontier Productions, TWERP, Star Trek: Intrepid, Darker Productions and - no matter what they may think of us - Pendant Productions.

Audio dramas represent an immensely challenging media to write for and produce. Modern audiences are super-saturated with visual stimuli that have tended to create a generation that sucks in its entertainment through the "goggle-box". Fan productions have an innate advantage in that they have easily identifiable plot, music and audio cues that are instantly identifiable by this visually-orientated generation.

A Klingon walks into a Ferrengi bar... if you have watched any Star Trek: Deep Space Nine that scene springs into Technicolor in the cinema of the mind, without any further description, complete with costumes, philosopy and culture. "The warrior walked into the spacedock bar". You have to start from scratch to create the whole scene and characterisations! Conan, Moriarty, The Cheshire Cat - the names instantly fire a whole network of neurons bringing to mind, unbidden, illustrations by Frazzetta, Sidney Paget and Tenniel.

Its not just visuals though. The Imperial March fires up and you hear the trade mark "Iron-Lung" breath and you KNOW who is in the room without a word spoken! You hear the William Tell Overture and the sound of hooves and you not only know the name of the horseman but the name of the horse! Zorro has the Captain of the guards at bay and you hear, "Zip! Zip! Zip!" - without one word of exposition you know exactly what he has done!

I point these out, not to suggest that fan productions are somehow better, but to show how, when an original production successfully paints a picture of a scene for us in the darkened cinema of our mind, it is such a triumph for the creator. Whether it is a pulp classic like Decoder Ring's "Red Panda", a historical drama like Misfit's Sir Philip de Barry or a paranormal drama like The Byron Chronicles, their ability to create a believable atmosphere for their audience is a triumph that should not be taken lightly.

I point these out, not to promote fan audio, but to give independent producers something to think about. Every fan producer will admit that their work rides on the coat tails of the professionals who made the originals but rather than rail against reality ask yourself, what can I learn from this? What makes the original, professional work so iconic that it so instantly identifiable? Was it a just an accumulation of years of TV saturation or was it the skill and craft of the directors, actors, musicians and crew?

What stands out to me for example is the use of musical themes and sound effects to make characters identifiable, subconsciously building in your audience a database of audio cues that they will recognise. We can't all have a composer to write an "Imperial March" for us but royalty free? What about recognisable audible cues - a coin being flipped, a foot dragging in the dirt. I know some producers don't like using visual promotional elements like graphics and multimedia to create audience interaction with their production, saying that the play should tell the audience everything it needs to know. Its their choice but show me a professional production that doesn't have a graphically rich and interactive website and I'll show you one that is going to crash and burn. The Leviathan Chronicles have done this extremely successfully, as have ST Outpost and ST The Continuing Mission.

There are a dozen lifetimes of experience that go into every professional production, don't ignore what they have done! Celebrate it! Learn from it! Become it! That is the goal of fan production!

If you choose to ignore the lessons that can be learned from the professionals, good luck to you. I sincerely mean that. Your success does not diminish my own self-worth but your failure makes us all the poorer. All I ask is that you please don't pick on Everyman when he is just trying to have a little harmless (and if we follow the rules of engagement it is harmless), creative fun.



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Sadly I must admit to being wrong. Misfits have just announced on FaceBook that they are cancelling their Green Lantern series after the next episode. I can't see where they have announced this on Audio Drama Talk yet so I'll say no more until they have said their piece other than to say that MJ and The Captain have made a difficult but ultimately courageous decision and are to be admired for the caring and honourable manner in which they have comported themselves.

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Misfits Audio announced on their Message Board and Facebook page today that they were reversing their decision to discontinue their Green Lantern fan produced audio drama series.

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Since then we received fan e-mail and saw through our down load counts, that our fans really enjoyed our series. Now, due to the fact of all the great actors involved, and behind the scene people still wanted to continue, we had to listen. There is a lot of work that is involved in producing just one of these episodes, and it's real easy to "cease" making them, but (you noticed the BUT) there is a large fan base out there, that loves listening to our shows. So, after having a meeting of the minds with the Writer, Post-Production and myself, we came down with only one conclusion. We will continue with our Green Lantern series till one of these two things happens, the series comes to an end on its own, or I receive "official" notice from the representatives of the above mentioned companies.
I am absolutely delighted that they have regained enough confidence in DC / Warner Bros as a suitable copyright owner to continue Green Lantern, just as I am sure that DC / Warner Bros can be rock-solid confident that Misfits Audio will not divert revenue from them, devalue their IP by making a substandard production or fail to acknowledge the original copyrights.

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I emailed the BBC about hosting a Doctor Who series They didn't say no. They said they needed more information. Don't be afraid to ask.
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Sorry I'm a bit late replying, not a hundred percent at the moment, but I don't know anything specific about Dr Who productions. I vaguely remember reading that the Beeb had a slightly different relationship with its authors in that they retained the rights to the characters they had created and some of them came out with commercial offerings of their own. Can anyone confirm? Is there a historical article on Dr Who fan productions anywhere?

I know there was a rather good series that came out of Brisbane a few years ago which seems to have disappeared.

Good luck, April, There's certainly a lot of scope for new adventures in the Whovian 'verse! I always like the idea of Helen Mirren playing a female doctor myself! Great actress!

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