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Old 09-28-2011   #11
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When we did the ZORRO productions, we were asked if we had any interest in TARZAN, as the character is licensed by the same company that represents the ZORRO people. As far as they were concerned, they own TARZAN. The books are PD, however the character is not. This seems to be how it is with CHARLIE CHAN . We were two days away from recording a CHAN, when someone (perhaps from this list) emailed me telling me they had tried and were shut down as the character is a licensed character. We contacted the owner to get the audio rights, and never got a reply (they are planning a new CHAN tv series about the granddaughter of Chan or something); so we shelved the project (although I will get to it some day when I have time to be aggressive and work a deal) .

So, it seems that while the stories themselves may be PD, the character may not be, and I know the TARZAN people are looking for license sales, and may be aggressive to stop any "unauthorized" productions. I personally was not interested in TARZAN so it wasn't an issue, but at the time I remember saying to my partner that these books are all in the PD, the books are online as free downloads, how could they stop us. He replied that maybe they couldn't, but we are not going to spend 50 grand in lawyers fees to prove it.
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That's pretty interesting. Dynamite licenses Zorro for their comics, but is now producing the unlicensed Tarzan comic "Lord of the Jungle" along with their unlicensed John Carter "Warlord of Mars" comic. There must be some interesting conversations going on there...
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I hear you Jerry...Lord I hear ya....

I sooo wish it were that we all had a ton of cash and High Powered Law types...
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What confuses me on all this- Livavox seems to be able to record AB's with little problem <or I have not heard of issues>

and then there is this guy who did a full reading of "Hour of the Dragon"
the only Con_n <can't mention that pesky word Conan..O..> novel by REH



http://dragonhour.blogspot.com/

http://feeds.feedburner.com/TheHourOfTheDragon

And he seems to be fine- though he doesn't mention that pesky word...CONAN......did it again...
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I think by and large they realize they can't do anything about the original manuscripts. There are dozens of publishers every year printing "A Princess of Mars" or "Tarzan of the Apes." There are the free online versions - and pay online versions. Straight audiobook readings are still technically the original manuscript.

Lawyers tend to get most annoyed when people do things that represent new material. To adapt to another medium requires creation and interpretation of elements not present in the original material, no matter how faithful the adaptation is. Comics require visuals, audio drama requires alterations to make the story understandable to the ear. And of course, any new stories "inspired by" the public domain material are new. Lawyers hate that.

With the Asylum producing their "Princess of Mars" film, Sony's animated direct to video "Tarzan of the Apes" film, and Dynamite's "Warlord of Mars" and "Lord of the Jungle" comics, maybe at least the Burroughs Estate is learning their legal limitations.
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what they do not get, but BBC and Dr. Who do seem to get <in my opinion>

<my opinion here> Is all these fans making these thing <fan fic-tributes etc etc etc> are the ones buying said product. And it's free advertising etc.

Heck George Lucas gives awards away for SW fan films...And it's not like he hasn't made more than a few nickles in his time.

And CPI hated us doing audio readings as well- though we did and they are out there <net archive>

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Yeah, it's funny that the people who are most ok with fan-fic stuff are the people with the most legal ground to stand on. It's the people who own stuff for characters that are partly public domain (Tarzan, Conan, Sherlock Holmes, Zorro, Fu Manchu, etc.) that are the most offended and sue-happy.
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I am a newbie.

I have a group of Radio Plays, and a Internet Radio Station website I am hoping to put up soon completed.

I restore vintage guitar amps and have worked on lots of old/new audio gear.

A. there was a post about what is good demo material as to how sound effects flesh out visual stories, someone teaching classes posted it.

I would use vintage cartoons, as the ones from the beginning to the early 50's were gems of great created sounds, that were timed into the visual so well.

And cartoons can have lots of screen time without dialog.

I have several video tapes, copies of films, that have a digital time readout, down to tehths of a second running in the corner, so you can see the timing of a scene.

Running a clock while watching is good learning about sound timing.

B. That is a interesting fact about Edgar Rice Burroughs. The Conan series, I have the whole set from the 1960's, I think, is still connected to his family.

So a production company might not have any connection, but the children or grandchildren of the author might have a claim.

I have a fabulous idea for a new Peter Pan story, and when completed, I have to ask the family if they will look at it, as they are still connected to the property.

Edgar Rice Burroughs did write a lot of "stuff" that has not been filmed. I don't think you can copyright a public domain story, just your version of it, maybe.

Mostly, it is all about not taking a completed project, and re-selling it in some form for profit, so Disney can muscle around, but they can't stop anyone from doing their version of a public domain property.

A number of films, like "It's a Wonderful Life", fell into public domain, and that is the actual reason why TV stations started playing them.

This is proved by looking at the http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0123194/ page on Edgar, and you will see that various production companies, including John and Bo Derek, have made their versions of Tarzan.

This is actually kind of spooky, as if the families of the writers of some of the best "Stuff" ever written have not re-copyrighted the property, then fair game.

I have a modest collection of books from the late 1800s to the late 1950s, and there were lots of boy's and girl's adventure books, like "The Hardy Boys" that could be in public domain. I have seen some very nice collections of early adventure books that I was not able to buy, lots of great stories out there, ebay, or if you have any local collectible shops, for very little.

Some of the early stuff, like the "SIx River Motor Boys" is very well written, but very bad technically, and some pretty good technically, but kind-ah funky writing.

I have spent much time trying to stop reading some great book from the late 1930s in a old bookstore, long time ago.
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